• Secrets Tip – Never bet the Big 6 or Big 8 located at the corners of the table. They carry a 9.09% House Edge versus Place Betting the same numbers for a 1.52% House Edge. All examples include betting both the (6) and (8) on a $10 minimum craps table. 6 & 8 Collect and Press.
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Hard Way Bet in Craps. You may have heard of the 'hard way' craps bet at one time or another if you played the game. It is sometimes known as betting on pairs or doubles. Basically you are betting on both dice to show the same numbers, such as: 22, 33, 44, and 55. These would be known as Hard 4, Hard 6, Hard 8 and Hard 10.

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N5m6FrFsi8Y
I really enjoyed this movie. Probably the most accurate slice of craps culture presented in a film.
This movie was the first movie produced by Paul Thomas Anderson. He got good reviews on this movie, and went on to do the more popular Boogie Nights later.
But I think a lot of people missed this one. If you haven't seen it, you should check it out. Very entertaining movie with some good actors in it.
The entire movie is currently viewable on You Tube until it gets disabled.

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thx.. downloading it from youtube. the 480p version is only 280megs in size?
Craps is paradise (Pair of dice). Lets hear it for the SpeedCount Mathletes :)
Ahigh
I'm not sure, but I think Sydney bets the hard eight big like that for the attention it earns him not for the opportunity to win. At one point in the movie, he tells someone that it's a stupid bet.
Sydney isn't a big time craps gambler from my perspective. He's a former hit-man with a dark history and a desire to have a life where he cares for other people that care for him back.
The movie isn't about gambling. It's about the characters and the relationships between the characters. All relationships that are ultimately orchestrated by Sydney out of his desire to have a more normal life than what would be expected for a former hit-man.
I think the point of the movie is that money easily changes hands from one hand to another hand and the rules for how the money changes hands is not obvious at all.
Sydney get's his money from the finger snapper bet from a finger snapper. He just needs an extra level of indirection for the bet to pay off.
Mosca
It's an allegory. Sidney's big bet on hard eight is like him investing himself in John and Clementine: a bad bet on a long shot that probably won't pay off, but might.
AceCrAAckers
Here is another movie set in a gambling town. I like looking at old buildings and seeing the changes.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QCkj3xOzPd8&NR=1&feature=endscreen
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odiousgambit

Here is another movie set in a gambling town. I like looking at old buildings and seeing the changes.

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What opera is the opening music from?
the next time Dame Fortune toys with your heart, your soul and your wallet, raise your glass and praise her thus: “Thanks for nothing, you cold-hearted, evil, damnable, nefarious, low-life, malicious monster from Hell!” She is, after all, stone deaf. ... Arnold Snyder
paisiello

What opera is the opening music from?


Bellini's Norma
odiousgambit

thanks, sounds worth better familiarity
the next time Dame Fortune toys with your heart, your soul and your wallet, raise your glass and praise her thus: “Thanks for nothing, you cold-hearted, evil, damnable, nefarious, low-life, malicious monster from Hell!” She is, after all, stone deaf. ... Arnold Snyder
Ahigh
Just finished the Atlantic City movie. The setting was a little bit depressing, really. But interesting flick.
I am still surprised that there are not more movies about Las Vegas. The Hangover did great, but there hasn't been a really big Las Vegas movie in a while now.
TIMSPEED
Since this topic is still near the topic, I thought I'd mention...
I asked everyone I could, this weekend, at JANugget, if they knew about Hard Eight...only ONE guy (who's kind of an oddball anyway) VAGUELY remembered it...
and quite a few have worked there since the early 80's...apparently even when a movie comes to film, they have their head buried in the sand.
Gambling calls to me...like this ~> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Nap37mNSmQ
Ahigh
Hard

Since this topic is still near the topic, I thought I'd mention...
I asked everyone I could, this weekend, at JANugget, if they knew about Hard Eight...only ONE guy (who's kind of an oddball anyway) VAGUELY remembered it...
and quite a few have worked there since the early 80's...apparently even when a movie comes to film, they have their head buried in the sand.


Hard 8 In Craps

I only learned about this movie searching on You Tube for 'Hard 8.'Craps
Not many people know about the film.
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It’s no surprise that multitudes of strategies have been developed around place betting the (6) & (8) as these numbers give the craps player one of the be best advantages of beating the casinos.

First of all, both the (6) and the (8) are the numbers likely to roll most often, next to the (7). There are 5 ways to roll (6), 5 ways to roll an (8), and 6 ways to roll a (7).

It doesn’t stop there. Here’s are some more advantages of Place Betting the (6) and/or (8).

  • Place Bets only need to be hit once to win, versus a Pass Line or Come Bet, which needs to be hit twice
  • The payout on a Place Bets exceeds that of Pass Line or Come Bets at lower betting levels
    • It takes approximately 5X odds before the benefits of PL/Come Bets exceed that of Place Bets
  • Place Bets can be made or taken down at any time the player wants versus PL/Come bets which are contract bets
  • The player controls the numbers that are bet, versus the roll of the dice being the determining factor
  • Already mentioned, the (6) and (8) are most likely to be rolled aside from the (7)
  • Betting both the (6) and (8) gives you a 10 to 6 advantage of one of your numbers hitting before the (7)
  • The house edge on place betting the (6) or (8) is only 1.52%, one of the lowest on the table

If the toolbox of strategies you bring to the craps tables does not include a (6) and (8) strategy, then it might be time to find one that works for you.

We’ll cover a few of the most popular, and some not-so-popular 6/8 strategies for you to assess and possibly include in your own repertoire of strategies.

Secrets Tip – Never bet the Big 6 or Big 8 located at the corners of the table. They carry a 9.09% House Edge versus Place Betting the same numbers for a 1.52% House Edge.

All examples include betting both the (6) and (8) on a $10 minimum craps table.

6 & 8 Collect and Press

  • Place Bet both the (6) and (8) for $12 each (Total $24)
  • Take these steps on the (6) and (8) independently
    • 1st Hit – Collect and rack the $14 in winnings (you now only have $10 of your money at risk)
    • 2nd Hit – Press your bet to $24
    • 3rd Hit – Collect and rack the $28 in winnings (now your up $20)
    • 4th Hit – Press your bet to $48
  • From here, you can either continue alternately ‘collecting’ and ‘pressing’ your bets through the end of the roll or take down your bets at any point in the progression you want.

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6 & 8 One Unit Continuous Press

  • Place Bet both the (6) and (8) for $12 each (Total $24)
  • Take these steps on the (6) and (8) independently
    • 1st Hit – Win $14 – Press your bet by $6 to $18 (collect & rack $8)
    • 2nd Hit – Win $21 – Press your bet by $6 to $24 (collect & rack $15)
    • 3rd Hit – Win $28 – Press your bet by $6 to $30 (collect & rack $22)
    • 4th Hit – Win $35 – Press your bet by $6 to $36 (collect & rack $29)
  • Either continue to press one unit each time one of your numbers hits, or take down one or both of your bets at any point you want.

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6 & 8 – $72 Regression

  • Place Bet both the (6) and (8) for $36 each (Total $72)
    • 1st Hit – Win $42
    • Immediately take both the (6) and (8) down to $12 each
    • You’re now positive $18 and only have casino winnings on the table
  • Use the (6) and (8) Collect and Press for the remainder of the shooter’s roll

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6 & 8 – 1-3-2-6 Positive Progression Strategy

  • Place Bet both the (6) and (8) for $12 each (Total $24)
  • Take these steps on the (6) and (8) independently
    • 1st Hit – Win $14 – Drop $10 and press the bet to $36 (Net winnings = -$34)
    • 2nd Hit – Win $42 – Drop your bet to $24 (Net winnings = $18)
    • 3rd Hit – Win $28 – Drop $60 and press your bet to $72 (Net winnings = $0)
    • 4th Hit – Win $84 – Take all bets down (Net winnings = $168)
  • After taking your bets down and collecting your net winnings of $168, you can wait for the shooter’s roll to end or decide to start the betting progression over.

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6 & 8 – $48 Hit and Spread

  • Place Bet both the (6) and (8) for $24 each (Total $48)
    • 1st Hit – Win $28
    • Immediately take the (6) and (8) down to $12 each
    • Add the (5) and (9) for $10 each
  • After the 1st Hit, you’ll now have 4 inside numbers covered for a $16 investment.
  • Utilize a collect and press strategy for the remainder of the roll.

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6 or 8 – Low Roller Inside Spread

  • Place the (6) or (8) for $12 (Total $12)
    • 1st Hit – Win $14 – Rack $2 and place the opposite number for $12 (Net = -$10)
    • 2nd Hit – Win $14 – Collect and rack $14 (Net winnings = $4)
    • 3rd Hit – Win $14 – Rack $4 and place the (5) or (9) for $10 (Net winnings = $8)
    • 4th Hit – Win $14 – Rack $4 and place the opposite 5/9 for $10 (Net winnings = $12)
  • You now have all inside numbers covered AND a $12 profit.
  • Utilize the collect and press strategy for each number covered through the end of the roll.

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6 or 8 – Low Roller Run Up

  • Place the (6) or (8) for $12 (Total $12)
    • 1st Hit – Win $14
      • Parlay your winnings and add $4 to your bet
      • Bet is now $30 – Total investment $16
    • 2nd Hit – Win $35
      • Parlay your winnings and add $1 to your bet
      • Bet is now $66 – Total investment of $17
    • 3rd Hit – Win $77
      • Take all bets down
  • Collect $126 in winnings ($14+$35+$77) from a total investment of $17
  • At this point, you can either start the strategy over or wait for the next shooter

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There are many other variations out there, and if you didn’t find one you’re comfortable with above, a quick google search will uncover many, many more.

Keep in mind, no strategy will change the house edge (casino advantage) on the bets placed. The goal is find the betting strategy that works for you and your bankroll and apply it at the right times at the table.

Hard Eight Meaning

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Hard 8 In Blackjack

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